So what is "the work"? I think it depends a bit on the perspective. In the previous post, I was referring to certain incidents that made my role as a teacher particularly challenging. I'm thinking about:
-teaching a class at a certain level that it is advertised as and the students aren't willing to practice at that level. Let's say it was a basics class, but the students who came were more advanced and refused to listen to instructions for a basic level class. In a basics class, much of the learning is visual, so a beginner will look to someone who looks like they know what they are doing and will copy them, no matter if it corresponds with the verbal instructions given by the instructor. This isn't specifically what happened, but it was similar, and anyway, this has happened before.
The point isn't to control the class and have a power trip. It is that the lesson that is trying to be conveyed will not be clear and will be of less benefit to all of the students. In this case, doing the work would mean humbling oneself and taking the class that is being taught or being honest with oneself and choosing to attend a more appropriate class rather than disrupting other students and disrespecting the instructor.
Now I realize that this is not the intention of the student. I know. I've been that student. You're at class and you want to get your practice in. You remember something you learned in another class, last week, or something that might feel good and you do it because it is your time to do yoga. And then up comes the teacher (maybe) and you're like "what a jerk!". I know, I've totally been there!
-Failing to inform instructor beforehand of injuries and concerns. Might not seem like a big deal, but can be really difficult as a teacher. The work here would be being honest about physical limitations (letting go of ego), but also trusting the instructor to do their job. Oh, and listening to the teacher's advice on how to approach practice with these in consideration.
Okay, so upon further thought, I think that most other things I could mention fall into these main categories of "doing the work":
1. Listening to your teacher
this means that you have an open dialogue with your instructor about what is going on with you and trusting them to give you well-informed feedback. They have seen so many bodies over the course of their careers that it is probable that they know what they are talking about. Both of the above example fall under this category.
2. Practicing like you mean it
2. Practicing like you mean it
example: if you saw my back bending video, you saw me fidgeting around, thinking about how I felt tight, how it was cold, how I was hungry, how I was tired, etc. Did I need to to that? No. I let myself do it. I gave myself permission to give up. So doing the work here is pushing your edge. It also means practicing wholeheartedly and consistently. That's when you really see results.
Hey, none of us are perfect, that's why they call it practice! We all have to work at doing the work.
I think everything falls into those two categories, but I'll have to think about it. This is such an overwhelming topic. It deserves much more than what I've worked through here. Any thoughts?
Elise - your fidgeting is where you are at in your practice at the moment you are doing it. It does not reflect any level of NOT doing the work. I once asked Guy, "What makes a good student" (because I really wanted to be a good student for him)? And he said, "One who shows up regularly."
ReplyDeleteThat's all? I asked.
Yes, that's ALL, he said.
Well, blow me down. Practice, and all is coming.
All the prep work I do...that is not the work. All the reading I have done...not the work. All of it is nothing without the practice. The practice on the mat, day to day, is all there is.
Yes, that is where I was because I did it, but I did have a choice. Right? We're trying to cultivate mindfulness and to find that yoga chittah vrtti niroddhah, no? So what I was doing was attaching to those distractions instead of breathing and looking at the tip of my nose.
ReplyDeleteYep, you just have to show up, I totally agree with that! Practice and all is coming... atha yoganusasanam. ah the sutras :)
showing up makes a good student because you have to actually practice to practice, but then you actually have to practice.
oh and I've got to add that its not that the students were good or bad, but "challenging" to work with as a teacher...
ReplyDeletejust a post script and random thoughts:
in "doing the work" there's a difference between
-learning how to manifest change in one's ongoing practice (breaking plateaus)
-being a "good student" (listening, trusting, trying, showing up, etc.)
-integrating the practice in one's life so that all actions are in a state of yoga (living mindfully).
When I was teaching a lot, I found that the "practice" of teaching involved a LOT of letting go. I was teaching vinyasa, and then I was teaching led classes at the Shala. in both cases, if someone was breathing to their own drum, or doing Pincha Mayurasana when I called out for Dolphin Dog, I found that everything was a lot smoother, including the "teaching hangover", if I just LET GO. Let go, I told myself. It's their practice, not mine.
ReplyDeleteBUT....in a Mysore setting, TOTALLY different rules apply, I think. I don't think that a Mysore room would work here in the land of Huge Houses and Senses of Entitlement. Or it would work, if the teacher teaches as Val does in CT - lets the students off the hook. You don't have a good twist? Your stomach hangs over your pants? Let's move you onto Second Series. You know, avoid DOING THE WORK *there I said it!!!
A Guy-type shala here would piss people off. They would give up and stop coming. The right students are not here.
Wow, I am babbling...Yoga high.
You're right, but in either setting there is a lot of letting go. You really have to pick your battles because ultimately, the students are trying. Even Guy is like this. You can't build Rome in a day!
ReplyDeleteYoga Chick,
ReplyDeletedoes the work include tummy tucks and lipo? I heard that you've had that done.
Did that help your practice?
Just curious. Am considering it myself.
Thanks,
e.
Why yes, anonymous, such a kindhearted, curious soul that you are. In fact, for me it does. The work also included a double mastectomy, two 4-hour reconstructive surgeries, six months of chemo, six weeks of radiation, 12 months of Herceptin, removal of both of my ovaries at the age of 37 and all of the fun and premature fat deposits and reduction in skin elasticity on the waistline that comes with early menopause. Lots of work and lots of "work" too. My plastic surgeon recommends Restalayne for his yoga instructor patients. It makes the face look more relaxed. I'm thinking about having some of that too. Gotta stay competitive in this youth obsessed market!
ReplyDeleteToodles.
I was not asking about your cancer challenges or in any way implying anything negative! I am seriously considering surgery because I have heard about other ashtangis who have done the same. I really wanted to know how it affected your practice in the positive or negative. I would think having to recuperate from breast cancer would scare you away from wanting to have more plastic surgery that is not cancer related, since there is a rest period with surgery that would probably stall your practice?
ReplyDeleteAre fat deposits around the waist and sagging middle age skin really
an issue for the poses in this practice? I'd really like to know. No need to get snippy.
So sorry if I offended. My inquiry was 100% serious and not meant in any jest.
Thanks,
e
touchy subject, but very interesting...
ReplyDeleteElise - it's actually kind of boring! It's been done before. This is just a major regurgitation of something that is already derivative. But it IS kind of funny that it shows up here on your blog, and uses your initial! Gotta love these guys.
ReplyDeleteMs. Yoga Chick,
ReplyDeleteyou obviously have some unresolved issues about this topic, I didn't mean to ruffle your or anyone's feathers.
I think its an interesting discussion because I thought one of the things that Yoga is supposed to teach us about is that our bodies are only vessels for the spirit and if that is so why all the obsession with the outside sheath?
I keep running into ashtanga people with great obsession in this, who have had surgery. I have started to think that perhaps it is something as a relative newbie, I should consider as it was something I considered before starting this practice, assuming that yoga would make me feel better about body image rather than looking in to ways to enhance it surgically.
My questions to you were all in seriousness and not in jest. Are fat deposits around the waist/thigh area and sagging middle age skin really an issue for the poses in this practice? I really need to hear from someone who has been there and was looking for wisdom not cattiness.
If anyone out there has wisdom on this I'd love to hear it. Elise, have you ever had any students practicing during or after a surgical enhancement procedure? Did their practice get better or suffer?
And my name is Erin BTW.
Thanks.
Laura,
ReplyDeleteI think if Erin wanted to be snarky she/ (or he?) would have made some questionable comment about your nose job(s?). I think you're getting upset over nothing. You've talked about your surgeries before to anyone that wants to know in public settings and private, so why so mean?
You're going into yoga thug mode on this and not teacher mode. I would be flattered if someone thought I could shed some light on something so hard.
Ashtangi
I would rather not debate what Erin's intentions are. Instead, I offer Erin an invitation to email me and ask for any advice she would like to ask me. Vanity and yoga are not mutually exclusive; I will say that much. And it does help in certain poses to have less flesh getting in the way. That said, you can practice yoga at any weight, at any size, and no matter what you look like. Erin, email me, if you would like to discuss further.
ReplyDeleteLauren
Erin,
ReplyDelete"one of the things that Yoga is supposed to teach us about is that our bodies are only vessels for the spirit and if that is so why all the obsession with the outside sheath?"
This is true, however yoga is also about getting your body as healthy as it can be so that you can sit to meditate and move to higher states of being.
I don't feel like its my place to talk about cosmetic surgery as we all make personal aesthetic choices every day. That said, excessive fat on anyone isn't healthy, especially around the waist. But there is a difference between extra skin from pregnany and extra fat, no?
"I keep running into ashtanga people with great obsession in this, who have had surgery."
Really? It could be just the demographic of your shala. To each his/her own :)
Your body IS your temple. You gave birth! That is AMAZING! It is normal for your body to be different.
With time, regular and consistent ashtanga practice will help get rid of the fat, but I don't know about the extra skin. Extra skin isn't exactly helpful in poses, but it doesn't make them impossible either. But if you are uncomfortable, do what you got to do to feel like you.
I don't know of any students who went through any of these procedures (or they just didn't tell me). I'm not sure if it would help, sorry! I do know, however, that for women who get breast implants before they begin yoga, the implants can sometimes shift as the muscles of the chest become more defined.
Some poses that are supposed to dissolve "bad fat in the waist" and tone the legs are:
padangusthasana and padahastasana
utthita & parivrtta trikonasana
utthita & parivrtta parvakonasana
prasarita padottonasana
parsvottanasana
utthita hasta padangusthasana
utkatasana
This is info is from lino miele's book and yoga mala. Guruji says that to remedy an ailment, you should stay in a posture for the specific complaint for 50-80 breaths! Hey, its less invasive than surgery.
focusing on mulabandha, lifting up, navasana, and utpluthih will help too.
My best advice? Patience and hard work. It sounds like you don't need any surgeries at the moment and are on the fence. Why not just wait and see what happens through practice? And if you choose to get surgery in the end, its your choice :)
This turned into a really weirdly interesting post and comment section! About what you said in your post, Elise- about wanting the class to be a cohesive group- made me think about my teacher, who used to lead very large led primary classes, and how he would stop every now and then and explain the importance of staying together as a group and listening to him. There's always someone blazing ahead, or going super slow, and whether they know it or not, it can be disruptive to the class as a whole. He would explain that doing the practice all at the same pace was a way for us all to feed off each other's energy. He would say that we were all in one big boat, with our own paddles, and to get the most benefit, we all needed to paddle together. I liked it when he said that because it was a nice reminder for me to enjoy the energy I was getting from everyone else! Now about that plastic surgery business.... uh... I don't know... but, for me, the greatest thing yoga has given me body image wise is that I've stopped fixating on my actual physical form (my thighs! my butt! My arms! My gut!) and started to really appreciate the strength and flexibility that regular practice has given my body. Appreciating what my body can do (and endure), has taken my focus away from harmful thoughts- unrealistic expectations of a body that isn't perfect but is doing what I want it to do for the most part! There are no fat ashtangis for a reason... even if you start out fat, you won't stay that way for long! You may never get super skinny, but you'll stop worrying so much about what you look like and love what your body can do. Anon- try the practice for awhile before considering surgery- you may be surprised what happens to you! Good luck!
ReplyDeleteum, i don't think Erin is going 2 want 2 talk to anyone that is referring to her as a f$%*(#@! retard on their blog YC. Just an observation. Why i see you took the high road finally with this question ( i applaud you) i hope the poor woman never sees yr blog.
ReplyDeleteWell, thnx 2 u, she probablee will.
ReplyDeletewow. i am so embarrased by all of this. Thanks for those folks who had informative things to say. I really did not mean any harm. No thanks to those that reverted to some way to serious and immature nastiness.
ReplyDeletenamaste,
erin
Like I said, Erin, if you have questions for me, I am happy to answer them on email. Do you have a blog? Maybe you could post the questions on your blog, and I could answer them there.
ReplyDeleteOh, and Erin, I am also happy to give you the phone numbers of my plastic surgeons. One for breast, one for tummy and one for nose (in case your deviated septum interferes with your ujaii, like mine did). I don't recommend breast reconstruction if you don't need it. And implants seem kind of foolish when small breasts are so pert and athletic looking - I chose them, after spending 20 years with 32D's. Tummy tuck could mess up your up dog for a long time to come, so I do not recommend it unless you have lost a great deal of weight and have a great deal of sagging skin like I did.
ReplyDeleteOther more specific questions we can talk about later, and like I said, I can give you my doctors' numbers. They would be happy to talk to a potential patient, I am sure.
BLL- I LOVE that way of explaining led..paddling in a boat. its so cute! I'm with you on the body issue front. I now think about what my body can do and how strong it is! :)
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